{"id":820,"date":"2013-01-16T20:34:29","date_gmt":"2013-01-16T20:34:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/scriebine.ro\/?p=820"},"modified":"2019-11-27T11:10:44","modified_gmt":"2019-11-27T11:10:44","slug":"m-am-suparat-din-cauza-unei-virgule-se-pune-virgula-inainte-de-si","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/scriebine.ro\/?p=820","title":{"rendered":"M-am sup\u0103rat din cauza unei virgule!! Se pune virgul\u0103 \u00eenainte de \u201e\u015fi\u201d?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/scriebine.ro\/m-am-suparat-din-cauza-unei-virgule-se-pune-virgula-inainte-de-si\/virgula-3\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-821\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-821\" alt=\"virgula\" src=\"https:\/\/scriebine.ro\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/virgula-.jpg\" width=\"238\" height=\"211\" \/><\/a>Spre sf\u00e2r\u015fitul anului trecut, am avut un conflict (bl\u00e2nd) cu unul dintre colegii mei. \u015ei el la fel de pasionat de gramatic\u0103.<\/p>\n<p>Care a fost motivul polemicii \u00een care m-am b\u0103gat? O virgul\u0103. \u00ce\u0163i vine s\u0103 crezi c\u0103 po\u0163i sta sup\u0103rat aproape dou\u0103 zile pe un om din cauz\u0103 c\u0103 acesta nu trateaz\u0103 serios un subiect de interes pentru tine?<br \/>\nDiscu\u0163ia \u00een contradictoriu a ap\u0103rut \u00een momentul \u00een care l-am \u00eentrebat:<\/p>\n<p><strong>&#8211; Tu \u015ftii c\u0103 sunt persoane care nu pun niciodat\u0103 virgul\u0103 \u00eenainte de \u201e\u015fi\u201d?\u00a0<\/strong>El s-a uitat la mine \u015fi mi-a zis:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Nici eu nu pun virgul\u0103 \u00eenainte de \u201e\u015fi\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Mi s-a str\u00e2ns inima pu\u0163in \u015fi l-am \u00eentrebat: de ce?<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Pentru c\u0103, la \u015fcoal\u0103, profesoara mea de rom\u00e2n\u0103 mi-a spus c\u0103 NICIODAT\u0102 nu se pune virgul\u0103 \u00eenainte de \u201e\u015fi\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Pe bune? A\u015fa \u0163i-a zis? \u015fi am c\u0103zut pe g\u00e2nduri.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; D\u0103-mi un exemplu, te rog!<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Bine. Uite: \u201eL-am chemat pe Mihai, \u015feful meu,<strong> \u015fi<\/strong> i-am spus ce s-a \u00eent\u00e2mplat\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Eu nu pun virgul\u0103 dup\u0103 \u201e\u015feful meu\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Cum s\u0103 nu pui? \u00eentreb eu. \u201e\u015feful meu\u201d e apozi\u0163ie \u015fi cere mereu virgul\u0103.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Mai d\u0103-mi un exemplu, c\u0103 nu m-ai convins.<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Bine. \u201e<strong>\u015ei<\/strong>-am stat, <strong>\u015fi<\/strong>-am stat p\u00e2n\u0103 s-a f\u0103cut noaptea.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Hmmm&#8230; nu sunt de acord cu tine. Nu po\u0163i s\u0103 spui \u015fi \u00een alt mod?<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; P\u0103i, dac\u0103 tu vrei s\u0103 scrii sau s\u0103 zici a\u015fa, de ce s\u0103 reformulezi doar ca s\u0103 nu pui virgul\u0103 \u00eenainte de \u201e\u015fi\u201d?<\/p>\n<p>A\u015fa am continuat discu\u0163ia cam dou\u0103 ore, p\u00e2n\u0103 c\u00e2nd m-am sup\u0103rat pe el pentru c\u0103 nu a \u00een\u0163eles c\u0103 exist\u0103 \u015fi excep\u0163ii, \u015fi nu am mai vorbit aproape dou\u0103 zile. Sim\u0163eam c\u0103 m\u0103 lupt cu morile de v\u00e2nt. Apoi, am f\u0103cut pace. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>A\u015f vrea s\u0103-\u0163i explic \u015fi \u0163ie cum stau lucrurile cu virgula \u00eenainte de \u201e\u015fi\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>\u00centr-adev\u0103r, a\u015fa s-a zis la \u015fcoal\u0103. Mai r\u0103u, s-a folosit \u015fi cuv\u00e2ntul \u201eniciodat\u0103\u201d.<\/p>\n<p><strong>DAR&#8230; s\u0103 nu uit\u0103m de excep\u0163ii.<\/strong> De aceea \u00eemi place mie a\u015fa mult limba rom\u00e2n\u0103, are excep\u0163ii \u015fi la excep\u0163ii. :)) Tare ciudat\u0103 limb\u0103 mai avem noi, rom\u00e2nii.<\/p>\n<p>Hai s\u0103 lu\u0103m cazul cel mai simplu, cel \u015ftiut de to\u0163i. <strong>Avem o enumerare.<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Am cump\u0103rat mere, pere, gutui <strong>\u015fi<\/strong> ro\u015fii. Evident, aici <strong>NU se pune virgul\u0103.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Acum&#8230; vine partea distractiv\u0103.<\/p>\n<p>Mai \u015ftii c\u00e2nd \u0163i-am povestit de \u201e<a href=\"https:\/\/scriebine.ro\/tu-stii-de-surorile-conjunctii-adversative-te-ajuta-sa-pui-virgula-unde-trebui\/\" target=\"_blank\">surorile conjunc\u0163ii adversative<\/a>\u201d? La lista cu \u201edar, iar, ci , \u00eens\u0103\u201d ad\u0103ug\u0103m \u015fi \u201e\u015fi\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Hai s\u0103-\u0163i dau un exemplu:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>M-a obligat s\u0103 plec acas\u0103, <strong>\u015fi<\/strong> eu nu voiam asta. (a doua parte a frazei este \u00een contradic\u0163ie cu prima: \u201eM-a obligat s\u0103 plec acas\u0103, <strong>dar<\/strong> eu nu voiam asta.\u201d)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Un alt context este acesta, c\u00e2nd <strong>dup\u0103 \u201e\u015fi\u201d urmeaz\u0103 \u201enu\u201d:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Voi face ce vreau eu, <strong>\u015fi nu<\/strong> ce vrei tu. (\u201e\u015fi nu\u201d se suprapune cu \u201eiar\u201d: \u201eVoi face ce vreau eu, iar nu ce vrei tu.\u201d)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Acum a\u015f vrea s\u0103-\u0163i fac cuno\u015ftin\u0163\u0103 cu minunata lume a gramaticii \u015fi s\u0103 \u00ee\u0163i spun despre adverbul de mod de \u00eent\u0103rire. Nu fugi, c\u0103 explic imediat! \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>Da! \u201e\u015ei\u201d are \u015fi <strong>valoare de adverb de \u00eent\u0103rire<\/strong>. Asta se \u00eent\u00e2mpl\u0103 atunci c\u00e2nd <strong>accentuezi o idee<\/strong>. S\u0103-\u0163i dau un exemplu:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\u201eIonel, <strong>\u015fi<\/strong> <strong>tu<\/strong> e\u015fti cu noi \u00een echip\u0103?\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>\u00cen acest caz, pe l\u00e2ng\u0103 faptul c\u0103 \u201eIonel\u201d este \u00een cazul <a href=\"https:\/\/scriebine.ro\/la-multi-ani-virgula-de-ziua-ta\/\" target=\"_blank\">vocativ<\/a>, adic\u0103 te adresezi lui, observ\u0103, te rog, prezen\u0163a lui \u201e\u015fi\u201d care \u00eent\u0103re\u015fte ideea c\u0103 \u015fi Ionel se al\u0103tur\u0103 echipei.<\/p>\n<p>\u00cen aceast\u0103 situa\u0163ie, virgula este necesar\u0103.<\/p>\n<p>Un alt caz este acela c\u00e2nd ai o <a href=\"https:\/\/scriebine.ro\/si-la-tine-ploua-cu-virgule-scapa-de-aceasta-dilema\/\" target=\"_blank\">apozi\u0163ie<\/a>. Am mai discutat despre ea c\u00e2nd <a href=\"https:\/\/scriebine.ro\/si-la-tine-ploua-cu-virgule-scapa-de-aceasta-dilema\/\" target=\"_blank\">am scris despre cuvintele incidente.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Un exemplu foarte bun este cel de la \u00eenceputul articolului:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\u201eL-am chemat pe Mihai, \u015feful meu,<strong> \u015fi<\/strong> i-am spus ce s-a \u00eent\u00e2mplat.\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>\u00cen acest caz, explici cine este Mihai \u015fi are acela\u015fi efect ca \u015fi \u00een cazul vocativului atunci c\u00e2nd spui:<\/p>\n<p>\u201eCe faci<strong>,<\/strong> Sorin<strong>,<\/strong> cu paharul din m\u00e2n\u0103?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Continu\u0103m, da?<\/p>\n<p>C\u00e2nd se mai pune virgul\u0103 \u00eenainte de \u201e\u015fi\u201d?<strong> C\u00e2nd ai perechea \u201e\u015fi&#8230; \u015fi\u201d.<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>\u015ei<\/strong> tu,<strong> \u015fi<\/strong> tat\u0103l t\u0103u merge\u0163i la pescuit.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>O alt\u0103 pereche de <strong>\u201e\u015fi&#8230; \u015fi\u201d<\/strong> folose\u015fti atunci c\u00e2nd <strong>poveste\u015fti<\/strong> ceva:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>\u015ei<\/strong> am stat, <strong>\u015fi<\/strong> am stat p\u00e2n\u0103 ne-a dat afar\u0103.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>O alt\u0103 valoare a lui \u201e\u015fi\u201d este cea conclusiv\u0103. (g\u00e2nde\u015fte-te la \u201edeci\u201d)<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Am terminat treaba, <strong>deci<\/strong> vreau s\u0103 plec acas\u0103.<\/li>\n<li>Am terminat treaba, <strong>\u015fi<\/strong> vreau s\u0103 plec acas\u0103.<\/li>\n<li>Plou\u0103 cu g\u0103leata,<strong> \u015fi<\/strong> nu mai mergem la cump\u0103r\u0103turi.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>Aten\u0163ie!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Mai exist\u0103 un caz \u00een care<strong>\u00a0NU pui virgul\u0103 \u00eenainte de \u201e\u015fi\u201d<\/strong>. C\u00e2nd? Atunci c\u00e2nd ai\u00a0<strong>perechea: \u201enici&#8230; \u015fi nici\u201d.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Nici<\/strong> colegul meu <strong>\u015fi nici<\/strong> eu nu mai lucr\u0103m la acest proiect.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hai s\u0103 recapitul\u0103m:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>C\u00e2nd NU se pune virgula \u00eenainte de \u201e\u015fi\u201d?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>C\u00e2nd scrii:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>o\u00a0enumerare<\/strong>: \u201eVreau s\u0103 fiu \u00een\u0163elept, bogat\u00a0<strong>\u015fi<\/strong>\u00a0s\u0103 am prieteni valoro\u015fi.\u201d<\/li>\n<li><strong>perechea de cuvinte<\/strong>:\u00a0<strong>\u201enici&#8230; \u015fi nici\u201d<\/strong>: \u201eNici acas\u0103 \u015fi nici aici nu am parte de lini\u015ftea dup\u0103 care t\u00e2njesc.\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong>C\u00e2nd SE PUNE virgula \u00eenainte de \u201e\u015fi\u201d?<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>atunci c\u00e2nd are\u00a0<strong>valoare adversativ\u0103<\/strong>\u00a0\u015fi \u00eel pui pe\u00a0<strong>aceea\u015fi list\u0103 cu \u201edar, iar, ci, \u00eens\u0103\u201d<\/strong>. Adic\u0103 exprim\u0103 contrariul a ceea ce ai scris \u00eenainte: \u201eAm fost la petrecere, \u015fi nu vreau s\u0103 \u015ftie tata.\u201d<\/li>\n<li>atunci c\u00e2nd\u00a0<strong>dup\u0103 \u201e\u015fi\u201d urmeaz\u0103 \u201enu\u201d<\/strong>: \u201eF\u0103 ce spune doctorul,\u00a0<strong>\u015fi nu<\/strong>\u00a0ce face el.\u201d<\/li>\n<li>atunci c\u00e2nd are valoare de adverb de mod de \u00eent\u0103rire, adic\u0103 accentueaz\u0103 o idee: \u201eMaria,<strong> \u015fi tu<\/strong> \u0163i-ai pierdut ceasul?\u201d<\/li>\n<li>atunci c\u00e2nd\u00a0<strong>\u00eenaintea lui se afl\u0103 o apozi\u0163ie<\/strong>: \u201eM-am \u00eent\u00e2lnit cu Ion<strong>, v\u0103rul meu, \u015fi<\/strong>\u00a0nu mi-a spus nimic de tine.\u201d<\/li>\n<li>atunci c\u00e2nd ai\u00a0<strong>perechea<\/strong>:\u00a0<strong>\u201e\u015fi&#8230; \u015fi\u201d<\/strong>: \u201e<strong>\u015ei el, \u015fi ea<\/strong> ador\u0103 ciocolata neagr\u0103.\u201d<\/li>\n<li>atunci c\u00e2nd\u00a0<strong>poveste\u015fti<\/strong>\u00a0ceva: \u201e<strong>\u015ei merse, \u015fi merse<\/strong>\u00a0p\u00e2n\u0103 s-a \u00eentunecat.\u201d (aici tot pereche formeaz\u0103)<\/li>\n<li>atunci c\u00e2nd are\u00a0<strong>valoare conclusiv\u0103<\/strong>, fiind sinonimul lui \u201edeci\u201d: \u201ePloaia a \u00eencetat, <strong>\u015fi<\/strong> putem ie\u015fi la joac\u0103.\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Gata! \u015etiu, e un pic dificil, \u00eens\u0103 cu aten\u0163ie vei reu\u015fi s\u0103 nu mai fugi de virgule sau de reguli discutate (sau nu) la \u015fcoal\u0103, dar pe care nu le-ai asimilat cum trebuie.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Primul pas<\/strong> pentru tine care e?<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00cemprietene\u015fte-te<\/strong> cu cuvintele, <strong>joac\u0103-te si\u00a0<\/strong><strong>vezi nuan\u0163a a ceea ce vrei s<\/strong><strong>\u0103<\/strong> spui. D\u0103\u00a0la o parte prejudecata conform c\u0103reia \u00eenainte de <strong>\u201e\u015fi\u201d<\/strong>\u00a0nu se pune virgul\u0103.<\/p>\n<p>\u00cen acel moment, aminte\u015fte-\u0163i c\u0103 undeva, pe blogul<a href=\"https:\/\/scriebine.ro\/\" target=\"_blank\">scriebine.ro<\/a>, \u00a0am discutat despre acest lucru.<\/p>\n<p>Detaliile sunt importante! <strong>Nu conteaz\u0103 doar ce spui, ci \u015fi cum spui! \ud83d\ude42<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>La sf\u00e2r\u015fit, vreau s\u0103 te \u00eentreb: <strong>ai evitat vreodat\u0103 s\u0103 pui virgul\u0103 \u00eenainte de \u201e\u015fi\u201d?<\/strong> \u0162i-a spus \u015fi \u0163ie doamna profesoar\u0103, \u00een \u015fcoala general\u0103, c\u0103 \u201e\u015fi\u201d \u00eenlocuie\u015fte \u00eentotdeauna virgula?<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00cen acest moment, ai o propozi\u0163ie \u00een minte care con\u0163ine \u201e\u015fi\u201d, dar ezi\u0163i s\u0103 pui virgul\u0103? Las\u0103-mi un comentariu \u015fi vedem cum rezolv\u0103m situa\u0163ia.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Cu drag,<\/p>\n<p>Vio<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Spre sf\u00e2r\u015fitul anului trecut, am avut un conflict (bl\u00e2nd) cu unul dintre colegii mei. \u015ei el la fel de pasionat de gramatic\u0103. Care a fost motivul polemicii \u00een care m-am b\u0103gat? O virgul\u0103. \u00ce\u0163i vine s\u0103 crezi c\u0103 po\u0163i sta sup\u0103rat aproape dou\u0103 zile pe un om din cauz\u0103 c\u0103 acesta nu trateaz\u0103 serios un [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":110,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"zakra_sidebar_layout":"customizer","zakra_remove_content_margin":false,"zakra_sidebar":"customizer","zakra_transparent_header":"customizer","zakra_logo":0,"zakra_main_header_style":"default","zakra_menu_item_color":"","zakra_menu_item_hover_color":"","zakra_menu_item_active_color":"","zakra_menu_active_style":"","zakra_page_header":true},"categories":[5],"tags":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v14.0.2 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>M-am sup\u0103rat din cauza unei virgule!! 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